Supposedly his contract was up on June 30th, and will not be renewed to be dean. But he’ll remain as faculty.
After a thorough and exhaustive review of Dr. Ergun Caner’s public statements, a committee consisting of four members of Liberty University’s Board of Trustees has concluded that Dr. Caner has made factual statements that are self-contradictory. However, the committee found no evidence to suggest that Dr. Caner was not a Muslim who converted to Christianity as a teenager, but, instead, found discrepancies related to matters such as dates, names and places of residence. Dr. Caner has cooperated with the board committee and has apologized for the discrepancies and misstatements that led to this review. Dr. Caner’s current contractual term as Dean of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary expires on June, 30, 2010. Dr. Caner will no longer serve as Dean of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary. The university has offered, and Dr. Caner has accepted, an employment contract for the 2010-2011 academic year. Dr. Caner will remain on the faculty of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary as a professor.
So basically nothing is happening…
Rotational of faculty into the position of Dean is not uncommon at any university.
So, Ergun gets a reduced workload and that's about it.
Typical.
When will Dr. Caner address these issues personally? When will the public hear his explanation of the contradictory statements? When will he repent and apologize to all the people he has mislead?
I truly hope he does. I am not holding my breath.
On the day that Ergun Caner's career as Dean of Liberty's seminary, he's busy “tweeting” things like “Donuts R holy.”
I think I see the problem.
On the day that Ergun Caner's career as Dean of Liberty's seminary comes to an end, he's busy “tweeting” things like “Donuts R holy.”
I think I see the problem.
If these claim are correct, and they now seem to be, this is more than just misstatements. Some of the things said were with full knowledge they were incorrect. How can christian leaders call the world to repentence if we can't call a lie a lie. It seems as though the statement offered by LU is an attempt to soften the sin “to misstatements”, well those are accidents aren't they?
While the consequence is a mere shudder, it was interesting to see this swell up as news…
The statement can't even point out that he was President, just some lowly dean being allowed to return as professor only.
He was the President! It is a disgrace that LU can't be truthful in its own statement. The President was removed for lying!!!!! He should have also been removed as professor.
How many students could remain at LU if they lied like he did on their school work?
Revelation 21:8 out of the Liberty University Standard Verson (LUSV):
” But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all persons who make factual statements that are self-contradictory, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Very funny but true.
If we confess our discrepancies and misstatements, God is faithful and just to forgive us our self-contradictory facts and let us keep our jobs.
Doesn't any one ever sin anymore?
Sinless perfection must be the state of every believer.
He did not lie. He did not intentionally mislead any one.
He only misspoke.
He only made factual statements that are self-contradictory.
I am relieved to know that he didn't sin and can remain a professor of students.
Seriously?
“Only made factual statements that are self-contradictory” —–how is that not lying?
He knew full well that what he said was not the truth, therefore he lied.
Explain to me how he did not sin because when someone lies, that is sin.
Glad Liberty is doing something about this, although I don't think he should still be a professor for a sin this public.
Exactly.
But LU can't say that he lied. They can't call what he did a sin.
It is obvious to me that no one in leadership ever sins. They have reached a state of sinless perfection. From this point on, they only misspeak, make mistakes, or make factual statements that are self-contradictory. They most certainly do not lie! That would be a sin. And sin they do not do!
I'm sorry to see that your beliefs completely contradict the Bible.
A person in leadership does still sin because they still have flesh remaining in them. Read the latter portion of Romans 7. Paul, the great Apostle Paul, expressed that.
LU and anyone else can say that he did lie and did sin because the Bible would clearly define what he did as lie, thus sin.
Ummm, Anon — “Yeah Right!” is speaking sarcastically.
… that is the thing I can't believe. There has been no show of remorse for these sins at all. He just continues to tweet and go around the country speaking and signing books as if everything is right as rain.
When will TRBC do church discipline and Matthew 18. These were gross sins from behind pulpits across America!
Some one needs to tell these folks what “exonerated” means!
http://sbctoday.com/2010/06/25/dr-ergun-caner-i…
James 3:1 “Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.”
SBC Today is like Baghdad Bob:
http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2010/06/sbc-t…
What, you've never lied before?? Judge not lest ye be judged…
Clark_m22 – (presuming your not being sarcastic) so what you are saying is that notwithstanding that there is forgivness for sin (i.e. lying) in the scriptures but there is also wholsale indeminty from consequences of sin (i.e. lying)….interesting – book,chapter,& verse please
As a fomer student, who was kicked out for picking up my roomate, who had been drinking and not telling on him….I find all of the holier than thou comments very annoying. I'm not saying that the man was right ….but it brings me back to the” Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone” or the not soo religious”people in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks”. Everyone sins, whether it's in a thought/deed. If a murderer/child molester/rapist finds God and asks for forgiveness, is he not forgiven? Why would this man be treated different…… If you were judged by others for your every thought, would you be any better than him? I was judged by people who would've rathered my roomate drive drunk. My roomate was a preachers kid ……Liberty taught me that “no good deed goes unpunished”
wow.. I am looking into attending seminary and its things like this and comments like this that not only discourage me but really allows me to to see how most of these “Christian” universities or seminaries so political and probably not places I want to be a part of.
I do enjoy my fair share of witty sarcasm… but let's cut to the chase. I admit, I don't know enough to pick a side or flippantly fling titles such as “Liar.” I'm also not looking for a reason to feel betrayed, hoping for “justice,” or any other kind of drama from this. I'd like to give the admin. the benefit of the doubt here, I'm not baring fangs at the school. I know that God will dole out the correct punishment, but we shouldn't be so quick to do it for Him. If he really is the scum that people are making him out to be, then I think we are real geniuses for not figuring this out earlier. However, I know some people, myself included, are prone to lie… just because. Doesn't mean it's “right,” but everyone has to fight their own demons (some are just more obvious to others). Just tossing in my two cents. I feel bad not being able to throw Bible verses around to spruce up my opinions, but Christianity is still new to me and I missed out on the luxury of Sunday School as a kid.
All men are capable of the worst of sins. Therefore grace must abound in the church. Warning to those who play the role of God in determining ones eternal fate….
I agree, but I also think that because this is the good ol' USA, everywhere we go it's a big political game. If I could make a suggestion: go where God is (especially if you're looking for seminary). Trust me, I'm not trying to sound corny or insulting your faith. Besides, who am I to tell you what to do? Just a suggestion from a nobody who found God.
What President was removed for lying? The country seemed fine about Clinton lying… and what about the WMDs (Bush)? Just saying, this country has seen people in the highest authority straight-up lie (we still a Christian nation though, right?). Not trying to start a fight, I just don't agree. Doesn't mean it's “right” but we have to face the times. I do like the bit about school work though, plagiarism is made out to be the fastest way to Hell.
Hopefully, LU's truthfulness standard exceeds that of secular politics. This concept mightbe foreign to you though.
Oh I see the problem! We've been looking at the “fake” Twitter site.
Here is the real scoop:
twitter.com/TheRealErgunCaner
Now's the time for LU to make a clean break with Ergun Caner, or else admit to different levels of honesty requirements for staff (president, dean, professor, assistant professor, etc.) as well as students. It's really right in your face, no matter if you want to admit it (or not).
Thank God I LEFT LIBERTY!! What a sham!!! Self Contradictory? Isn't he a member of Thomas Road Baptist Church. Are they going to discipline him for being a LIAR? A DECEIVER? Will he be required to pay back monies he made on books that are full of lies? I wonder if they would treat students so graciously if they were found cheating on tests?
You are all quick to quote Scripture and condemn the decision of Liberty University. Well here is one for you:
“But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” – John 8:7
First of all, TRBC and Liberty are two distinct yet related entities. He was removed as Dean, which by definition is the Seminary President. Yes, he lied. Yes, it is a sin. However, the consequences for lying are not the same as molestation.
You also tend to forget that this is a news post. It does not contain all of the information nor the discussion that led the committee to the decision that was made.
And who are you to decide what should and should not be done. Have you ever lied? Did it result in you losing your job? If the school were to treat everyone as you suggest, the entire campus would be empty.
Sorry, but you are taking that verse out of context. The rest of the chapter talks about believers judging. I believe you are not wanting me to condemn him, which clearly I am not, but I can say that he is a liar because he lied.
Scripture wouldn't curtail a statement by saying he misspoke, so I'm not going to either.
And obviously I sin, I'm not in heaven, I still have the flesh warring against my soul.
Probably because this man sinned AFTER he was converted. And that he should be a role model for the students he teaches. Besides, as one who is responsible for preaching truth, how can you trust a liar?
Follow God and follow your heart! An opportunity is what you make of it and I have found the faculty and staff that I interacted with at Liberty to be good examples of Christian character.
God Bless!
BINGO!!!!! Sounds like Liberty is guilty of Romans 2:24 “As it is written the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you”.
Pathetic…..
LU has lost its integrity and clearly the desire to serve God. I suppose it's perfectly fine for LU students to lie, but not the untouchable Ergun Caner. Where is the repentence, the grieving for having wronged the Lord, his superiors, and most of all his students?
For those of you yammering on about he who is without sin casting the first stone…. you might want to go read the scripture again. The prostitute was not a believer. Try reading 1 Corinithians 5:9-13. That is how we are to treat unrepentent believers. They are to be cast out from among the bretheren.
Shame on LU. The world once again sees our hypocrisy.
NOW WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER CHARLATAN? EMIR CANER. HE IS JUST AS GUILTY AS HIS BROTHER. I PRAY THEY GO AFTER HIM AS WELL. SHAME ON BOTH OF THEM USING 911 AND THE LOSS OF LIFE AND THE FEAR OF PEOPLE TO CATAPULT THIER PERSONAL MINISTRIES. SHAMS AND CHARLATANS THAT IS ALL THEY ARE.
Emir Caner is a liar as well. He said he is from Turkey? I thought he was from Ohio??
Seems Ergun's Brother Emir likes to tell tall tales as well. I thought he is from Ohio? He says in this video he is from Turkey???
The woman in the scripture you described was NOT a believer as yet. Go read your scripture again. Start with 1 Corninthians 5:9-13. Paul tells us exactly what should become of BELIEVERS who will not repent. We should not even eat with them. Finally, Paul says to remove the wicked man from your fellowship.
I guess LU isn't much on Bible context any longer. How sad for these students. I pray all good things will result from this and that they will show the true gospel despite their seriously lacking role models.
Hammer – think you missed the point friend….. read it again, it was more an attempt at humor on how many euphanisims there really are to substitute for the word “LIAR”
However, I suspect this is the average level of intelligence of the remnants of hard core Caner supporters at this stage in light of the evidence at hand
Understand where u are coming from but 3 questions while you are avoiding application of “flippant titles”:
1. How many lies does one have to tell before they can be rightly called a liar;
2. How many people need to have suffered loss and damgae by the lies of the liar i.e. EMBARRASMENT IN FRONT OF THE WATCHING WORLD – AND ESPECIALLY THE MUSLIM POPULATION (I'm led to believe there are a few out there);
2. How many lies should one have to have told before they are held to account for the said damage wrought by the liar i.e. EMBARRASMENT IN FRONT OF THE WATCHING WORLD – AND ESPECIALLY THE MUSLIM POPULATION
Mr Keiser – I'll tell you who I am to decide what should and should not be done:
I am a Christian that cares about the Muslim population and that they might recieve the Grace of God through the forgiveness of sins through faith in Jesus Christ.
Anyone that wants to defend a self-indulgent, egotistical, LIAR that has promoted his own selfish interests before the Gospel of Christ and so publically in the eyes of the watching world and over 1 BILLION muslims (many of whom now think the name CANER is synonimous with the name Christian) then I submit HERES ONE BACK AT YOU:
1. YES I AM QUICK TO QUOTE SCRIPTURE;
2. YES I AM QUICK TO CONDEMN THE DECISION OF LIBERTY UNIVERSITY; AND
3. BY THE GRACE OF GOD THE ENTIRE CAMPUS OF LIBERTY UNIVESITY WILL EVENTUALLY BE EMPTY UNTIL DR. CANER MAKES AN UNMITIGATED APOLOGY FOR THE EMBARRASMENT THAT HE HAS CAUSED TO THE EVANGELICAL EFFORTS OF CHRISTIANS THAT CARE ABOUT TRUTH AND ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP
I understand, now that you put it like that. I've been thinking about it though, and realized that I have to separate my perspective from the facts. Sounds like square one, but my own bias slipped past. I know what the secular world thinks of the Church (because I used to be in that boat), but since I've been a Christian it seems that we weren't too far off from reality. It hurts to find out that something I've bought into might not be what I expected. I want to say that “God will fix it” but how does that make me sound in the company of “adult Christians?” I'm not going to jump ship because of this, but it does alter my perspective. How can someone so “godly” turn out to be such a gross sinner? I didn't want to think about it, but if it's true then God help us…
(Me and every other pathological liar, and anyone who is being lied to in the name of “God”)
Yea it might be foreign to me and people like me. I want to give the school the benefit of the doubt here, I'm not slamming LU or Christians. I'm not going to apologize for my life and experiences that lead me to mistrust politics, secular or Christian. However, as a recent convert to Christianity, I AM sorry for not being able to whip out my Sunday School answers book and rattle off the right responses. I guess I should apologize in case I hurt your feelings about the secular political game too, but that would be lying. Yes, hopefully our standards are above the others', but the way I see it: politics are politics, and unless God is leading through a pillar of fire, it's just the same game with different names. I'm not against you.
(By the way, your first sentence would have been fine, you didn't need to assume anything because you know what happens…)
So you are to condemn me for not using proper Biblical context? So tell me, where in that passage does it make mention on one the woman's believer status? To the best of my knowledge it doesn't.
Second, Romans 3:10 declares that “There is none righteous, not even one.” At your recommendation, in relation to this circumstance, no pastor would be preaching. You shouldn't even be calling yourself Christian because you too are guilty of sin.
Do you know what sarcasm is?
I am being sarcastic.
Caner lied. LU and Caner don't want to admit it boldly. They use euphemisms for lying, like factual statements that were self-contradictory.
I am also paroding the situation. A good parody is often mistaken. So, at least with you, I crafted an excellent parody!
By the way, Romans 7 is describing the Pharisee Saul before he came to Christ. The apostle Paul makes it clear that believers can exercise their minds not to sin. See Romans 6 and 8, the context for Romans 7.
First of all, just because that is who you are does not mean that you have the right to condemn. You claim to be a proponent of the gospel of love yet you have no compassion. I do not agree with what he has done, but that does not mean that what he is teaching is a lie. He is following a curriculum. There is damage done.
You mention grace but speak judgment and hatred.
Here is what you are failing to realize: Christianity is about Christ and not Caner. Jesus is perfect, Caner is human. Forgiveness is not what he deserves and your anger is merited.
You seem to forget Scripture:
Matthew 6:14-15
Matthew 18:15-20
Matthew 18:21-35
These all deal with forgiveness and “your brother.”
I see this mulim thing creeping into our country gradually until we will one day wake up and live in a muslim country…God's judgement on the country I guess.